This week, Karen and Georgia sit down with the hosts of Exactly Right’s newest podcast, Trust Me: Cults, Extreme Belief, and Manipulation. Survivors Lola Blanc and Meagan Elizabeth share their firsthand experiences, discuss what draws people into high-control groups like Heaven’s Gate, the Manson Family and NXIVM and explore how to find a way out.

Trust Me premieres on July 30 with new episodes every Wednesday.

Follow, rate and review Trust Me wherever you get your podcasts. Follow the show on Instagram at @trustmepodcast and TikTok at @trustmecultpodcast.